Date of publishing: 17th August 2007

Hayden Leslie Panettiere was born on 21st August 1989 in Palisades, New York. Her mom got her started in the business by doing commercials when she was just 11 months old. Then, at only 4 1/2, she was cast on the soap opera "One Life to Live" (1968), where she remained until 1997. Since then, she has gone on to appear in many feature films and TV movies. She stars in NBC’s hit ensemble drama series “Heroes” as Claire Bennet, a high school cheerleader in Texas, who learns through trial-and-error that her flesh is indestructible. “Heroes” follows the lives of ordinary people who discover they possess extraordinary abilities.

The Scifi World had the opportunity to take a part on a press conference with her. Here is the full report of this conference.


Question: Is there a super power that you think would benefit you as a young Hollywood star or any other young Hollywood star? Which would benefit you the most?
Hayden Panettiere: The ability to be invisible.

Question: Really?
Hayden Panettiere: Oh, yeah. Because, I think, obviously we can blame most of it on people who are doing the bad things they aren't supposed to be doing, but at the same time when you have cameras in your face all the time, there's no room to mess up even slightly. Things get turned around on you. So, if I could walk out my door or drive my car out and not be followed by paparazzi, I'd be a very happy person.

Question: With the changes in the cast and the additions to the cast of Heroes, what has the chemistry been like on set for season 2?
Hayden Panettiere: It's been great. We have a new character that Daniel Ramírez is playing. And Mia, she's been really fun and her twin brother, it's been great. I really haven't had a chance to be around them a lot, other than a few passes on set. But everyone's pretty excited to be a part of the show. It's already an established show. It's been doing great. It's a wonderful show, and most of the people who have joined the show have seen it and are just psyched to be there.

Question: With everything you have gone through in this past year on the show, how has that changed the way you view what people have had to go through with working on a weekly series like this?
Hayden Panettiere: I would have no idea what to expect. I did do Ally McBeal for a season, but I was 12 and it’s a totally different groove, and I wasn’t in it every day and wasn’t one of the major characters. It has been crazy, but this show is unlike probably any show that any one shoots. We shoot it like a movie, it’s like we are doing a full length feature film every day. So in that aspect my past feature film career has definitely prepared me for that. But there is no place that I’d rather be, I love my cast, I love my crew.

Question: Jack Coleman said that HRG is sort of back up to his old tricks in season two, how do you feel about that dynamic coming back? Going back to the sneaky kind of stuff.
Hayden Panettiere: I think that we have all proven in this show that we all have our dirty little secrets. Him going back, you know I think him becoming the house dad, the good dad, wouldn’t be very exciting. You know people like watching good-bad people and you some times want to hate Jack’s character, and you some times love him. It’s kind of a toss up depending on what side you are on. But how do I feel about that? I think it’s exciting! I thinks it’s exciting for him, but I’m not sure exactly what’s going to happen. As I said everyone always has their dirty little secrets. But I am excited to see what happens with everyone. I wish I could turn bad, I’d turn bad in a second, I’d be like yeah, I’d be the villain. (Laughs)

Question: When you first signed on for this show what exactly were your expectations? Is it surreal now to know that the show and your character have had a big impact?
Hayden Panettiere: Absolutely! I had absolutely no idea what to expect. You know I had never been on a show from beginning to end. You know, been there for the pilot then the full series, and especially not one like this. You never really know how good the show, or how many incredible actors are involved with it, you never really know what is going to happen with it, or how the audience is going to take it. Because I saw incredible shows this last season, just not accepted by the audience, and it wasn’t because it wasn’t good enough, it wasn’t because people didn’t like, people just didn’t grab it like they did other shows. So it’s kind of a toss up, and I had no idea. We were shooting for so long before the show actually aired that we started thinking that either it’s on the air already and it’s obviously well because we are still here or we are just doing this for shits and giggles and its never airing ever.

Question: So if you had known any clue in advance, would it have been an almost paralyzing daunting thing to take on or would you have been like, yeah bring it on?
Hayden Panettiere: Oh I’m used to this. I’m like, yeah bring it on. I have my cast mates and my family and I love them to death and I wouldn’t trade them, my job or this show for anything. But yeah, I would have taken it on.

Question: What sort of special extras did you get involved with for the DVD release and was it the first time doing that type of stuff?
Hayden Panettiere: There are commentaries and deleted scenes, which I didn’t knowingly participate in. There about 50 deleted scenes.

Question: Like foul ups, bleeps and blunders type stuff?
Hayden Panettiere: No, not outtakes, just deleted scenes that were never used. And it’s incredible (and I’m not going to lie I’m watching right now) it’s just incredible how many scenes you totally forget were deleted. And you are like “Oh that’s where that scene went.” But you know, it is really fun to watch because we really have limited time it’s only an hour show, and especially with the pilot and stuff, you have such limited time to explain all this information that you need to know before you can get into the gut of the show. Which is why we had the two hour pilot and we showed it at Comic Con as well, which was great. It really explains their characters and goes more in depth in other things, but unfortunately we didn’t have time for it. I have done another commentary on the movie Ice Princess before, but that’s about it.

Question: When season two picks up, where is it in Claire’s life that we find her and how do we build up to this new relationship with the new guy West?
Hayden Panettiere: It’s four months from where we left off last season and Claire is really trying to get in touch with her inner teen self once again. She hasn’t given up on that and you know, I think it would be a sad thing if she did. She’s trying to fit in but not stand out, and obviously they are still hiding and running from these people. I think the funny thing about Claire is that as much as she has that beautiful naiveté about her and as sweet as she is, she does have that spit fire, that sass about her. And it's fun to watch her, but I think that she meets West, well you guys will see.

Question: So we will see her meeting him, they are not all ready together yet or anything like that? They are not dating or something when the new season picks up.
Hayden Panettiere: No, no it’s a gradual meeting, yes its teen angst. (Laughs)

Question: You were talking about getting in touch with her inner teen; she’s not able to go back to her original high school, is she? Is she asking to be an original teen on the run, on the road or what?
Hayden Panettiere: Well she is settling in somewhere in the United States.

Question: Can’t be any old place, but she is trying to live a normal life some where for a while?
Hayden Panettiere: Yeah, she is trying, and trying is the key word. As seen in Heroes, sometimes what we try for, we don’t succeed at all the time.

Question: What would you describe are the biggest changes in Claire’s character that have occurred first season?
Hayden Panettiere: I think she really grew up. I was definitely for a while there was getting sick of crying, I don’t know about any one else who was watching the show, but I was tired of seeing her cry. And you know, she just kind of went from that naive teenager to only wanted to, well if you guys don’t have kids or haven’t noticed teenagers are selfish and I will vouch for that and she wanted what any teenager would want. She wanted to be normal, she wanted to be popular, she wanted to date the quarter back of the foot team, and over the time by dismissing her power like that she was risking a lot of people’s lives. There was so much more she could do if she just came to terms with that. So she just really evolved, she really grew up and can now stand on her own and stick up for herself. She just matured and hopefully will keep doing that.

Question: Early you mentioned you would love to play a villain on the show. In the one episode when we see in to the future of seeing the way some people go bad, Claire was still on the side of good, and she always sort of has been. Do you think Claire could ever go to the dark side and is there anything that could happen that could push her there?
Hayden Panettiere: You know in this show anything is possible, you never know what’s going to happen. I highly doubt it, but anything is possible and those five years in the future is if New York City blew up. (Laughs) There is always that chance, that possibility.

Question: What about playing a villain would you appreciate the most, versus a good guy that you would like?
Hayden Panettiere: I think because I have been categorized and some times typecast because of the fact that I’m blond and people look at me like the popular cheerleader type. You know you just don’t play the villains unless you are Sharon Stone when you are blond and you look like that. It would just be exciting for me. People look at me as sweet some times, and I would never in a million years describe myself as sweet, never. Kristy will vouch for me. (Laughs) But I think it would be a blast, it’s so much fun to be bad. At least I’d have a chance and could play and pretend to bad on screen.

Question: What’s going on with your singing right now, are you preparing to release an album?
Hayden Panettiere: Hopefully it will be coming out soon, when I can find the time to promote it.

Question: On the DVD extras that you said you are watching right now and it’s loaded with a ton of bonus features, out of what you have seen so far, what would you recommend people starting with, what’s your favorite feature?
Hayden Panettiere: I would say, it would depend on if they had seen the show or not. If they haven’t seen the show I would say watch the two hour pilot first and then maybe the deleted scenes. I’m having fun watching the deleted scenes, but that’s probably only because I know what was deleted and what wasn’t. There is some great stuff and goofy commentaries, like I’m talking goofy commentaries. (Laughs) I think I remember my commentary and they probably edited it. I love DVD’s where you get to go and look at the extras and find certain things, but people will have fun with it, there is a lot of stuff on them.

Question: You guys are allegedly getting two new villains this year, do you know anything about them that you can tell us and how is it possible to be worse than Sylar?
Hayden Panettiere: Oh it’s possible. I think there is one hint actually in the first season. I won’t tell you what it is.

Question: About human hands with Molly?
Hayden Panettiere: Maybe! But it is definitely possible to be worse than Sylar. You know Sylar wasn’t really bad, he was pretty good seemingly person, he was just kind of lost in the beginning when they first found him, then he went crazy. They will be bad ,really bad.

Question: These villains are more globally minded then Sylar? Because Sylar was pretty much just out for himself.
Hayden Panettiere: I think that they’ll appear here in a different way, it’s kind of a mind trip you know in the way that Sylar was very physical. These characters are just creepier, from what I have seen of them and from what I have heard about them, I have absolutely no idea otherwise.

Question: While you guys are filming season two, have there been any bloopers or embarrassing moments that have happened to you?
Hayden Panettiere: Oh my gosh, countless. A season and a half of bloopers and you want me pick one.

Question: Any specific ones that you remember that come to mind. Like embarrassing moments or pranks you played on somebody?
Hayden Panettiere: I can’t think of any. (Laughs) Aside from people line stumbles and mumbles. That’s the thing about the set as much fun as we have we still have to move, we have a really fast pace to keep up. So it really doesn’t give people much guts to play pranks. There are constant line jumble ups, and of course the laughing tapes, where you just can’t stop laughing to get the lines right or do the scene, there are those all over the place.

Question: Or anything that went wrong with a stunt maybe?
Hayden Panettiere: Somebody had it the other day as they are the two worse people to do a scene together as they are both goofy as anything, and I cannot imagine them looking at each other with a straight face, and I think they went through the whole scene cracking up. (Laughs) If I remember one I’ll yell it out.

Question: Is there any more you can tell us, without spoiling anything, about Claire in season two? I take it she is still a cheerleader?
Hayden Panettiere: Well, not in Odessa any more. I wouldn’t say good bye to the cheerleading outfit quite yet, but she is not in that one any more.

Question: Anything else in terms of her growth, I know you said she has matured and she will have a boyfriend?
Hayden Panettiere: Well this season she is really looking to figure out more about her powers, more about what she can do, how far she can push it, and what happens when she does it. There are still some unanswered questions about her abilities, how far her pain tolerance can go, or if she can she actually die. Well, I think we may have figured that out by now, there’s this specific spot that if you, you know like in the first season with Peter where he had that shard of glass in the back of his head and not until we pulled it out did he come back to life. But the question is how long can they survive with a piece of glass in his head before he can’t regenerate any more. So I think she is really pushing for answers and that is all I have seen her doing so far. I mean, that is one of the things I have seen her doing on that level, she is just trying to figure who she is and what she is doing and what she wants to do with her life and her abilities.

Question: Other than paparazzi chasing you every where, how else has your life changed since Heroes, what else has happened good or bad, what has the show brought you?
Hayden Panettiere: I think it has been great, it’s been fun. I have a new family, a whole family made up of lots of brothers and two dads. (Laughs) But it has been a blast, everything I could have ever dreamed of and never should have imagined. You just don’t expect that kind of success for yourself.

Question: I have read that there is a video game in the works. Is there anything specifically that you would like to see with that and do you know if you will have involvement with it?
Hayden Panettiere: I have no idea what the layout would be or what it would look like. I’m ecstatic my cousin made me my first action figure, it’s not real, it is real but it’s not obviously. He did a really cool job, it’s so cool and it’s sitting on my shelf. It’s always fun to see what they do with you characters in the video games and what kind of animation they use. And I would love to be involved with it and other than that I have no idea.

Question: Your character is virtually indestructible. How do you make her appear so vulnerable, what is your approach as an actress?
Hayden Panettiere: Well, she is vulnerable, that’s the interesting thing about her, the fact that she is a physically indestructible girl, but she is not emotionally or mentally indestructible, and that vulnerability is what makes people like her. When you approach her as an actress, it’s just like playing any other character -- are they vulnerable, are they mean, nice, disturbed or happy? You make her like a normal teenage girl, and I actually am a teenage girl. So you just approach it the way you would any other character. When I’m acting, I forget about my abilities. That’s not something that takes a toll on it because she has no idea how to handle them, and that’s the honest truth, so neither do I.

Question: You are turning 18 later this month. Will your character be experiencing a similar milestone and also how are you planning to celebrate your eighteenth?
Hayden Panettiere: I have no idea yet if my character is gonna be doing that, we actually haven’t all that much. It doesn’t look like she is hitting a milestone any time soon, she’s just struggling to get her life back or create a new one. My eighteenth birthday I will be with friends.

Question: Could you explain your approach to handling the pressures on screen and off that come with being an actress? How would you say that your approach is unique as compared to other actresses in your generation’s demographic?
Hayden Panettiere: I think that my approach to acting, because it is something that I love, it is something that I respect, and something that makes me want to be respected for what I do. That is what I’m working towards, is working to be a respected actress, and in order to be a respected actress there are certain things that you just can’t do. And I think unfortunately in this business when people start getting all those perks and they head down the wrong road, they lose track of what’s important. Their business and their jobs became more about that than about their craft. They forget about their craft and their love of it, and sometimes it causes people to slack off and lose focus. I’m a person that I love my craft and I love what I do. I want to mature in it and get better at it every time I do it. I want in the future to be looked at as a respected actress.

Question: During season one Claire has been in some pretty gory predicaments. What is it like working with all that make up, and is that something we are going to see more of in season two?
Hayden Panettiere: It was sticky, very sticky. If you can imagine, corn syrup, it’s made out of the same thing, with dye. So you can imagine what that does to your hair and your body after ten and half hours of working. But you know it was the most fun. Me and Milo were together and we got to be sticky together. It was fun in the beginning, but there are directors like Greg Beeman who like to go (laughs) a little over the top. I just remember the look on his face when he got that blood bottle in his hand and he just looked at me like he was going to attack, and I was like “Oh no”, and he just poured it over my head. It looked good at the end of the day. It’s not always a fun or comfortable thing to do but that’s my job.

Question: Is that something you think they will continue to push the limits on with the second season?
Hayden Panettiere: Well, of course there is her ability you know. And I think that the longer she has it and the farther it goes then the less she is really conscience of it, the less she thinks about it, the less she notices that she can’t do certain things, unless it clicks in her head. So yes there is going to be plenty of blood, plenty of snaps, pops and crackles.

Question: Since we saw that Peter and Nathan are still alive from those who went to Comic Con, is there going to be an attempt on Claire’s part to get back with them and create more of a family than previously? What was her attempt to find them in the first place?
Hayden Panettiere: I have absolutely no idea quite yet, we have not gotten that far. We are dealing with really interesting storylines, it will be a little bit but I’m sure you have not seen the last of the Petrelli’s, it is a family.

Question: Do you consider Heroes to be a soap opera? And why not.
Hayden Panettiere: No. I would get soap operas as being more like The O.C., that was more of a soap opera. I don’t know, I have never seen people break bones in their bodies on a soap opera or fly.

Question: I mean from the emotional story points of the show, Claire building her family up together again. Like you have mentioned teen angst before and those kinds of emotional points?
Hayden Panettiere: If you are saying that anything, movies or shows that have this kind of emotion to them, are soap operas, then sure it can be a soap opera. It’s a really interesting soap opera. There are tons of differences, but emotionally wise, God knows I have to cry enough, at least I did last season, well sure. But I think it has a lot of different elements to it.

Question: You are going to Europe for the Heroes World Tour. Can you possibly confirm who might be going with you and what are you most looking forward to about the World Tour?
Hayden Panettiere: It’s me, Milo, Jack and Adrian. What am I looking forward to most? Getting out of California. You know, I will be eighteen. I think it will be exciting, it will be fun to just get away and be with my cast members. It’s going to be so much fun, I can’t even imagine. Just seeing those beautiful cities and countries and just be able to be there, staying in the top hotels in Paris and London, what more could you ask for really? I’m excited to be with my cast mates, we have not really spent that kind of time together. You know, we see each other all the time and we do spend time together but not days consecutively; we’ll see who is mad at each other by the end of the trip. How many fights there have been and how many people are cranky? (Laughs)

Question: The visual look of the show, which I think is one of the best looking shows on TV and I can’t wait to watch it on HD-DVD. Do you personally have a favorite looking scene, now that you are watching it again; something that you are thinking wow this looks fantastic on DVD or in High Definition?
Hayden Panettiere: Well thank you for the compliment. That is a great question. I don’t know, you get to see up close and personal how beautiful Sendhil really is. (Laughs) I think the blood and the guts will look even, ugh more. Oh my gosh I can’t even imagine, that’ll look so nasty. There are so many special effects and really cool shots and back grounds and the scenery that is incredible. Like New York City and just the skylines, we did some blue screen too, and I’m sure that looks insane. I would have to say the blood and the guts and my hurling myself off the gravel tower being pretty cool to watch in Hi-Def.

Question: Do you have any thoughts or ides of what you would like to see your character do in season 2 and any up coming seasons?
Hayden Panettiere: I mean, she has come a long way since where she was the first season. She has matured incredibly and I think the boyfriend thing is touching, which is cool. I would love to see her work with the characters she has not worked with; I haven’t even started to work with them. I haven’t worked with, god, I think I have worked with less of the cast than I think that I have worked with. So yeah, I want to work with my cast mates.

Question: What happens to the rest of her family, obviously she’s with her dad, but are your mother and brother just left behind?
Hayden Panettiere: No, of course not. Where would Mr. Muggles be then? We love Mr. Muggles. I think you might see them this season.

Question: In the show your character is indestructible. Can you recall a time when you were younger when you kind of felt indestructible?
Hayden Panettiere: Yeah, when I was younger I always had that thought in my head for some reason, and I could never imagine dying. And it was impossible for me to die when I was younger. Not indestructible in the way that I could heal myself, but you know when you are younger death is not something that like clicks in your head. Now it is, now it does. Now I don’t feel so indestructible even though I’m playing someone that is indestructible.

Question: What have been some of the acting challenges for you stepping back into the role this year and playing Claire so far in season two, would you say?

Hayden Panettiere: God, all the same ones as the first season. I mean, when you are working with such an amazing cast, they are such great actors, it’s kind of hard to go wrong. Acting challenges, god I have no idea. I think she is pretty much were she left off last season, and she is trying to be a normal girl. I think it’s less challenges and more fun, it’s fun to be in hiding. That’s a hard question, because there isn’t anything that stands out that’s like, “Ahh that’s really hard I have to pretend to be this and pretend to be that” It’s not really like that. It’s more “Ooh I get to do this and Ooh I get to do that.”

Question: One of the really compelling things about Heroes is the striving for universal themes and philosophical introductions, and there is this tension in Claire’s life between security and freedom that we see her dad really wrestle with. Is that something you find she strives for, and if so or if not, is it something we’ll see more in season 2?
Hayden Panettiere: The fact that she has to wrestle with what was it?

Question: There’s the tension between the security her dad tried to provide and the freedom to know who she is and kind of explore the world and that kind of continued with the introduction of her grandmother, and I’m wondering if we are going to see these kind of themes in season 2, and if you think there is a parallel, kind of global message in that?
Hayden Panettiere: Well, she is a teenager, and all teenagers, there is almost a metaphor, an odd metaphor in that teenagers are constantly trying to push their parents away, constantly trying to test their limits of freedom and how far they can push things. And it is sort of the same thing for Claire; she’s doing it in a different way. Not really to have her freedom per se, to go to the mall with her friends and go on vacations, it’s more to learn more about herself and this ability and what she can do. I think in that way that it is definitely a teenager universal message; all teenagers will understand that one. But I think that will continue to be a battle for her until she is an adult, and even then her dad is still going to want to protect her.

Question: Do you listen to everybody dissecting everything about the show and your character, is there any part of you, although I’m sure NBC loves the attention, for you personally do you go in the back of your mind “For the love of God, people get a life”? And have you ever been as obsessed with anything personally as people seem to be obsessed with Heroes?
Hayden Panettiere: Do I do that “God people get a life? “ (Laughs) I’m sure it’s crossed my mind, but I think it’s very cool that they like it. And because of the fact that they like it so much, it’s almost a pat on the back every time they say something about it and love it. Aside from awards shows we are behind the camera, we’re the ones filming it in the studio, and it doesn’t click that 15 million are watching the show until you see them and you hear from them. So it’s cool to hear from them, it’s our kudos and pats on the back. Have I ever been obsessed with anything? Not really no. There is some definite obsession going on with Heroes, which is fine by me. I don’t think I have ever felt that, I wish I could feel it, but I have never felt it.

Question: Could you tell me more about the Heroes Cast Dinner that you have every week or month, and also who is the actor you feel the closest to in the cast?
Hayden Panettiere: Yes we do have our dinners, which we actually haven’t had one in a quite a while, but we need to. We’ve all been going crazy and busy and we are shooting like 3 episodes at a time right now, so it’s intense.
Who do I feel the closest too? That’s hard, I mean, I have no idea they are all so different. Adrian, we always said he’s like the big brother, he is so funny and always wants to take you here and there. And you know he is the leader, like he has already planned a dinner in Paris at one of the top restaurants in the world. We are all like, “oh great who is footing that bill?” Greg is the goofball, Milo is more the flirt and Sendhil is great and Masi, there is just so many different personalities. Everyone is so different and so great, I was just about to say that everyone has either a crush on either Milo or Sendhil and then I looked at Greg, Adrian and Masi and everyone has a crush on them too. We have a cast full of heart throbs, what can you say? And you know Ali, we are the girls in a group of guys, we have to stick together.
Now Jack Coleman I’m very close too as I have to work with him a lot. He is just so much fun and is so funny and he’s such a bright man. It’s just really fun to be around someone who is so bright and funny at the same time. And Ashley Crow who plays my mom and Zach who plays Sylar. Zach is fun! And funny to and he’s a good friend too. So it’s just really hard to say, they all just have their own individual personalities and it’s such a hoot when we get together.

Question: How has working with the large cast helped you with your craft?
Hayden Panettiere: Well it is not only a large cast, but it’s a large cast of really good actors. And when you are around such good actors you really want to bring yourself up, you are constantly working to bring yourself up to their level and to strive to be better and do your best. At the same time in this show, because we don’t always get a chance to work with each other that it’s almost like showing off every time you work them, because you haven’t work them and you haven’t work with them and you are so excited to you are like “Oh oh I’ve got to be really good because I’m working with so-and-so today.” They make you want to be better.

Question: Is it almost like acting school in a way.
Hayden Panettiere: I don’t know, I’ve never been to acting school, so I have no idea.

Question: So I know in this industry there are rules for minors about the hours you can work, so how will turning 18 change your life on the set?
Hayden Panettiere: Well, I can now work until the wee hours of the morning.

Question: And that’s a good thing?
Hayden Panettiere: Nahh, I can now work 15, 16 or 18 hours, it’s awesome. But that actually started happening when I graduated so I’m working those hours right now. At 18 there are more stunts that I can do I think, which I’m ecstatic about. There are certain stunts that they won’t let me do because I’m a minor and this next season I get to them, yeah!

Question: Now, any plans on moving out from your parent’s house now that you’re turning 18?
Hayden Panettiere: No, I don’t think it is necessary to live on my own any time soon.

Question: Were you expecting the critical and over whelming popularity of the show? Did it take you by surprise, this wave of adulation, this obsession, what ever you want to call it, that follows the show now and everything? What’s your reaction to all of this?
Hayden Panettiere: You know, as I always say you never really expect that kind of success for yourself or to be a part of anything like that, but you know at the same time we thought, we knew it would do great. We thought it would do great at least, as anything is possible in this business. We thought it would do wonderful by word of mouth and what we were hearing the producers and writers say; we had some confidence in it. But at the same time that night before it premiered, it was like “Oh god we could possibly not do well” and blah blah blah, because you know everything in this business is kind of a toss up.

Question: During Comic Con in the Heroes panel, several of the cast members had tee-shirts that had who their hero was, and I was wanting to know who your hero is, both cast or character and why?
Hayden Panettiere: My family is my heroes. I mean Meryl Streep is like one of my favorite actresses. All my cast mates, everyone I love I think are my heroes, everyone I look up to. I look up to all my cast mates, I look up to my family, but Meryl Streep is one of those people you know, who just was an incredible actress, incredible! And what she did with her career, how diverse it was and how different everything was and how well she pulled it off and the grace she has doing it. And how just humble she is, it’s really incredible, and it’s just somebody you want to emulate.

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